tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post110907906283557417..comments2023-10-10T03:39:50.342-05:00Comments on A Little Urbanity: Reedy Fork RanchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-45570161946205327942008-05-26T18:50:00.000-05:002008-05-26T18:50:00.000-05:00I came across this blog today and I had to post so...I came across this blog today and I had to post something! I moved to Greensboro October 2007. While I was looking for a place to buy, I came across a little house in Reedy Fork and fell in love with it! It had everything that I was looking for and all the extra amenities like the pool and walking trails! It was great! <BR/><BR/>Now, 8 months later, I am even more in love with it! I still love my house and all my neighbors are great! I live on one of those cul-de-sac roads you referred to and the kids do play in the road. However, all the neighbors know each other and can keep an eye on all the children too. There are plenty of community gatherings-like Friday night drive-in movies, 2 churches, a men and women groups, community watch programs and many other activities that when you get involved, you will know no stranger in Reedy Fork. <BR/><BR/>Prior to moving here, I lived in an apartment in Asheville, NC. I know more people in Reedy Fork than I did at my old apartment complex. With my "snub nosed" house, I have been able to keep my car in the garage and not have to worry about it being broken into anymore. I have gone to bed with the doors unlocked in my house and slept peacefully. My dogs have "room to roam" and play with the other neighbor dogs. <BR/><BR/>As far as the houses design that "minimizes the opportunities for casual contact with neighbors" is not the feeling I get. That is a personal opinion and is not the situation in this community. Also, I liked how you picked the dead of winter to take pictures for your blog; they make the community look rough. Perhaps you should go back and see it in the summer with the foliage on the trees and the flowers in full bloom and, yes, the neighbors gathering at each other's house for a cook out! You would be amazed to find many of your believes to be untrue! <BR/><BR/>This is my first house and I would be lucky to have my second in a neighborhood like Reedy Fork Ranch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-70421867693893399022006-12-17T16:01:00.000-05:002006-12-17T16:01:00.000-05:00Hi -
I think your evaluation of Reedy Fork Ranch ...Hi -<br /><br />I think your evaluation of Reedy Fork Ranch is on point. I have periodically given my grad students in urban planning the task of evaluating the Reedy Fork development. I did so again this semester while at Cal Poly, and found your blog while researching the status of the development.<br /><br />I authored Best Development Practices for the American Planning Association and Urban Land Institute. The developer approached me originally with the idea of implementing Best Development Practices on his site. I was consulting with LDR International at the time, and passed the opportunity on to them.<br /><br />The resulting plan was a major professional disappointment. What follows are excerpts from an email I wrote to the lead planner for LDR back in 2001. I have, for obvious reasons, left out more personal comments.<br /><br />Such a wasted opportunity!<br /><br />March 2, 2001<br /><br />Sean -<br /><br />I have been debating how to respond to your belated letter, with completed site plan for Reedy Fork attached. To say that I am surprised and displeased with the process and product is an understatement. The developer approached me originally because he wanted a creative (non- formulaic) application of Best Development Practices to his site. He didn't want a New Urbanist plan necessarily, but rather a hybrid incorporating the best of contemporary and traditional features.<br /><br />After one brief meeting at LDR, I hear nothing for seven months and then receive a finished site plan which, to my mind, falls substantially short of our original objectives. While I am not aware of the site constraints (having not been part of the planning team), I cannot believe that they are so severe as to have created this disjointed plan. On a midterm last week, I asked my students to evaluate the plan from the standpoint of Best Development Practices and Pedestrian- and Transit-Friendly Design, and even they (at their experience level), couldn't see any connection to the principles in those publications.<br /><br />Reid Ewing<br />National Center for Smart Growth<br />University of MarylandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1131027632858150132005-11-03T09:20:00.000-05:002005-11-03T09:20:00.000-05:00I have a hard time seeing my post as "black and wh...I have a hard time seeing my post as "black and white," especially since I pointed out the greater square footage, closets, and bathrooms of Reedy Fork's new houses in my post, as well as the parks, millpond, communcity centers, and proximity to Bryan Park.<BR/><BR/>My criticisms of Reedy Fork were not based on it being <B>new</B> -- they're focused on the configuration of the houses, streets, and sidewalks so as to diminish opportunities for casual interaction.<BR/><BR/>But also I made clear that that's a choice that some people like.David Whartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251439852685796681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1130989559374370662005-11-02T22:45:00.000-05:002005-11-02T22:45:00.000-05:00Most of these posts seem to originate from those w...Most of these posts seem to originate from those who own or prefer old houses. I can see both sides of the picture. Those who buy new get a more practical house with lots of square footage and predictable maintenance costs for the first 10-15 years. Old houses have a charm but at the price that they are somewhat impractical, have less sq. feet, 1 full bath usually, small closets, and higher maintenance costs. I think the lack of sidewalks is offset by central clubhouses and pool areas which are commonly not found in old neighborhoods. I believe where you live is a personal preference, and is not a black and white issue as has been written about here. (by the author)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1119930928727096292005-06-27T22:55:00.000-05:002005-06-27T22:55:00.000-05:00Well I live in RFR and I love it so I guess I have...Well I live in RFR and I love it so I guess I have to remain anonymous for fear of my car being keyed! People who make judgments about those who choose to live differently than themselves, come off as arrogant and smug, not at all like the dozens of families I've met in the 6+ months my family has lived here. Of course, you all must be surprised that I've met any of my neighbors at all, since here we choose to retreat. In fact, this very diverse, safe, and family-friendly neighborhood is ideal for building community. Cul-de-sacs provide a safe environment from cut-through traffic and our sidewalks which seem to be such a source of contention, provide a safe, crack-free path for strollers and bikes.<BR/>Every day I sit at the pool, I am bound to meet someone different, and look forward to spending a relaxing time with my kids. So I say thank you developers, you evil spauns of Satan. I am so very grateful that I can afford to live in such a wonderful, friendly, scenic neighborhood.<BR/><BR/>Oh, one more thing, I noticed you didn't take any pictures of house in Boxelder Landing. Guess they didn't support your description of a pigs snout?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1110209740506657022005-03-07T10:35:00.000-05:002005-03-07T10:35:00.000-05:00Dog-
Not exactly what I had in mind. From the dev...Dog-<br /><br />Not exactly what I had in mind. From the developers perspective I'd call it product development. I'm arguing for a more "people friendly" design. <br /><br />This can be done with all the same vendors, materials, etc.<br /><br />In the final analysis it's up to the customer to make the individual value judgement on their home purchase.<br /><br />The true fleecing I see happening is when a developer "dumps" the neighboorhood price range in order to close out quicker and substitutes poor quality homes than were previously built.<br /><br />THAT'S fleecing!<br /><br />And yes, the developers need their collective chains pulled. Too much development, too little water, too little school, etc.<br /><br />Let's have the developers kick $$ in for a school in every development. <br /><br />RobRob Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219906678744621367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109623191010149712005-02-28T15:39:00.000-05:002005-02-28T15:39:00.000-05:00Entertaining thought Rob, just like leading the sh...Entertaining thought Rob, just like leading the sheep to be fleeced. You don’t leave planning to developers, as it happens in Greensboro. It’s very expensive for the tax payers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109505003782979362005-02-27T06:50:00.000-05:002005-02-27T06:50:00.000-05:00As I recall reading in the N&R some years ago, the...As I recall reading in the N&R some years ago, the major (read: tract) builders came out AGAINST any mandate for sidewalks. I'm sure that they're only getting by with the miniumum.<br /><br />"People like homogeny", yes this might be true but, it's up to the developers to *lead* the mass consumer much as the automobile manufacturers. They are doing that quite well, hence the snout. It's just a matter of the "best" direction. Sure concrete "ain't free" but, in a central commons gravel or crushed aggregate would be just as effective (and cheaper).<br />It's all a matter of orientation. Seems many of the builders in the Pacific Northwest and the Mid-Atlantic "get it". I guess like everything in this region, wait long enough and it'll happen here too.Rob Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219906678744621367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109289728089108512005-02-24T19:02:00.000-05:002005-02-24T19:02:00.000-05:00Wow. I had to drive so far to get there -- and I l...Wow. I had to drive so far to get there -- and I live in east Greensboro -- that I just assumed it was outside the city limits.David Whartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251439852685796681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109269480626749772005-02-24T13:24:00.000-05:002005-02-24T13:24:00.000-05:00Since Reedy Fork Ranch is outside the city limits,...Since Reedy Fork Ranch is outside the city limits, the city's sidewalk ordinance does not apply here.<br /><br />But that ordinance was so weakened by TREBIC, that I think RFR's sidewalks would probably meet its requirements. As I remember, sidewalks on one side of residential streets are all that the ordinance mandates.<br /><br />It was TREBIC's contention that walking in one's neighborhood just to visit neighbors, walk the dog, ride a tricycle, etc., doesn't justify the added cost of building sidewalks.David Whartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251439852685796681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109224940386433962005-02-24T01:02:00.000-05:002005-02-24T01:02:00.000-05:00"...if you don't have to have sidewalks on both si..."...if you don't have to have sidewalks on both sides, then why bother?" <br /><br />Why not bother just for the sake of *not* creating some neighborhood that looks like it was designed specifically to nurture depression. Developments (they hardly seem like neighborhoods) like these give me the creeps, if they elicit any feeling at all.<br /><br />Smug indeed! I'm goin' out for a walk now, and am giving thanks for my beloved sidewalks and trees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109163485499911502005-02-23T07:58:00.000-05:002005-02-23T07:58:00.000-05:00Hoggard -- NO! NO! NO!
I'm an OLD GAL with a hou...Hoggard -- NO! NO! NO! <br /><br />I'm an OLD GAL with a house.<br /><br />jwjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422508393817693955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109124109182744512005-02-22T21:01:00.000-05:002005-02-22T21:01:00.000-05:00Good one, JW, you soulless vessel of self-aggrandi...Good one, JW, you soulless vessel of self-aggrandizement!<br /><br />I grew up in a place like this, and it was pretty nice in a lot of ways. But the emphasis of suburban design is definitely on the private sphere (inside the house) and not the public one.<br /><br />Philip Bess calls suburbs monuments to the "care and tending of the autonomous self." And that's a very attenuated kind of "community".David Whartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251439852685796681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109123133178123492005-02-22T20:45:00.000-05:002005-02-22T20:45:00.000-05:00Anonymous said "soulless." I agree. I live in Adam...Anonymous said "soulless." I agree. I live in Adams Farm. Yes, Hoggard, no accounting for taste.<br /><br />On of the things the Zoning Commission never seemed to pay much attention to was what happened AFTER a zoning case. I think some did personally, but never as a part of the process did a review take place. I did it PERSONALLY, just because I had to see, and hopefully learn, from the results.<br /><br />jw<br />http://www.howdoyoulikeme.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109121182125847962005-02-22T20:13:00.000-05:002005-02-22T20:13:00.000-05:00Well it's got one good thing going for it: you pro...Well it's got one good thing going for it: you probably won't be able to hear the cannon being fired at the new downtown ball park.<br /><br />Otherwise, having seen Reedy Fork myself-- I'm not impressed.Billy Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16264147065000056960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109120887744031682005-02-22T20:08:00.000-05:002005-02-22T20:08:00.000-05:00What a depressing housing development. Soulless. I...What a depressing housing development. Soulless. I couldn't live there. I wouldn't even want to know somebody who could live there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109119164339731652005-02-22T19:39:00.000-05:002005-02-22T19:39:00.000-05:00Hoggard, I have no plans to move to Reedy Fork -- ...Hoggard, I have no plans to move to Reedy Fork -- I was just curious about the place. So keep your key in your pocket!David Whartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251439852685796681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9159479.post-1109102926085723232005-02-22T15:08:00.000-05:002005-02-22T15:08:00.000-05:00David-
I think you're right on the mark. I would ...David-<br /><br />I think you're right on the mark. I would welcome a return to more "people friendly" neighborhoods. I would dare any local developer to embrace the "New Urbanisim" with features like a central commons, garages to the rear of the home and more character that is typical of your current neighborhood. (I am partial to the Craftsman style). Unfortunately, the prevailing "it's not big, just more than you're used to" is dominating most consumers minds. If the builders' do build with more character it is at a higher price which is far from the Craftsman and Prarie schools of thought.Rob Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219906678744621367noreply@blogger.com